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it comes right over our heads he saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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well hello and welcome to the show i'm

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martin willis your host

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we have another great show for you

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tonight andy fleming is coming up in a

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the lives of stars not stars or

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mutilations

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well there seems to be a possible tie-in

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a lot of work does go into these shows

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because he's always doing these weird

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uh well up you can look at my show notes

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christopher o'brien hang in and take a

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don't live forever and in an epic tale

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to rival the best shakespearean tragedy

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our sun will one day die and with it

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all life on the earth five billion years

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we were all quite literally made in

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harvesting starlight what a spiritually

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as always thank you andy and one of my

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favorite carl sagan sayings

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pie from scratch

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you must first invent the universe

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our guest has just joined us christopher

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o'brien how you doing

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pretty good sorry about that i uh i

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i had a mix up with a past guest due to

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me unfortunately i was mentioning

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so i didn't get i did get a chance to

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skim through

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and this is actually a topic that's been

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fascinating me for

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a long time i thought about asking linda

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moulton how

294
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on you know she did early what i think

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is good work

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um but i'd like to talk to you perhaps a

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little bit about that because

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i believe there are some things that

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were missed that was quite a while ago

300
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and also the area where you are

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exploring out there is a very active and

302
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strange area

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and first of all before we go into

304
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anything to do with the mutilations at

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all

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why do you suppose that is such a

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paranormal area

308
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well i think the four corners area of

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the country

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probably has some of the more

311
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intense and uh intriguing hot spot zones

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if you will

313
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and the particular area that i cut my

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teeth on

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and sunk my teeth into as an

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investigator the san luis valley in

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south central colorado

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extending down into you know just barely

319
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down into north central new mexico

320
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this particular area is very very unique

321
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and

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it has quite a history with the

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indigenous population of strange events

324
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of being a sacred area that's held

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sacred of

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um in in one tradition

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there's mention of some sort of

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dimensional type doorway that may

329
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move uh about in the sangre de cristo

330
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mountains which

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make up the eastern side of the san luis

332
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valley and

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it's just it just has a

334
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like a melting pot of just inexplicable

335
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categories of uh the unusual everything

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from trooping fairies

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uh brujos in training uh elk hunting

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seeing a leprechaun

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uh norad calling the local sheriff

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because of

341
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a flight of what appeared to be ufos

342
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went down

343
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uh bigfoot sightings a platypus found at

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11

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000 feet in high mountain lake i mean

346
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the stories

347
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just go that's why i wrote three books

348
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about

349
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into a particular hot spot area like the

350
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san luis valley

351
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it's amazing the amount of the width and

352
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breadth and depth of material that

353
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you're able to uncover and

354
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the san luis valley is i think very very

355
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key

356
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it's the largest alpine valley in the

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world it's completely surrounded by

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mountains

359
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it's a perfect sociological petri dish

360
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and

361
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what i set out to do in 1993 is

362
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study everything that was unexplained

363
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that happened in this area whether it be

364
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a strange weather uh aberrant social

365
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behavior

366
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uh ritual occult crime cryptozoological

367
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creatures

368
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uh native american legends i mean you

369
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can just go down the list of things

370
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and unfortunately uh

371
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uh the cattle mutilation phenomenon is

372
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pretty high up on the list uh being the

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birthplace

374
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of the publicized uh portion of kind of

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the kenneth arnold of mutilations

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happened

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in 67 in the san luis valley so yeah

378
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that that's kind of

379
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what my book's about now it goes back to

380
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wasn't there something like snippy the

381
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horse or something like that was correct

382
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a big story when was that like the early

383
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1900s or something like that

384
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no snip the snippy the horse case

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occurred in on september 7 1967

386
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oh um okay in my book i do go back in

387
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time all the way to the 1600s

388
00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:02,240
and look at uh at um

389
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:04,560
some form of documentation that would

390
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:05,519
would indicate that

391
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that this phenomenon has been going on

392
00:14:11,350 --> 00:14:09,519
for hundreds possibly thousands of years

393
00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:11,360
but the snippy case was really important

394
00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:12,639
because it was the first

395
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internationally recognized case of this

396
00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:17,120
type even though it was a horse not a

397
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cow or

398
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:21,120
a bull uh we've never had another case

399
00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:24,480
exactly like it but what makes this case

400
00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:27,839
important in how it stands you know

401
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:30,560
kind of head and shoulders above most

402
00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:31,360
cases

403
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:33,600
is that it was the first international

404
00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:34,720
news story

405
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,839
that covered this particular horrific

406
00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:39,360
mystery

407
00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:42,320
the ranch owner and the owner of the

408
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:42,800
horse

409
00:14:46,870 --> 00:14:45,279
they got calls from china from france

410
00:14:49,829 --> 00:14:46,880
from australia from england

411
00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:49,839
south america this became a really big

412
00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:51,440
news story in 67

413
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:54,560
and and i i've often compared it to

414
00:14:59,509 --> 00:14:57,199
kind of a typhoid mary in terms of the

415
00:15:03,990 --> 00:14:59,519
creation of a cultural meme

416
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,000
uh a you know a meme is to culture what

417
00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:06,320
a gene is to biology and and we have the

418
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:08,000
start of a very

419
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:11,279
rich uh cultural meme with the snippy

420
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:12,000
case

421
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:14,480
before we move on what in earth are

422
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:17,040
trooping fairies

423
00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:21,920
uh line up in a line and troop through

424
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:24,959
your room across the countryside

425
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:34,790
head-scratching case reported by

426
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:38,079
a who's who musician inventor of the

427
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:40,639
electronic guitar

428
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:44,079
600 film and tv and movie credits to his

429
00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:45,120
name

430
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:46,880
played the theme on star trek in the

431
00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:49,360
twilight zone i mean a real

432
00:15:53,509 --> 00:15:51,519
name person not just some survivalist

433
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:53,519
sitting out in a trailer somewhere

434
00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:55,839
this guy is uh you know a very

435
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:56,959
well-known musician

436
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:00,240
and an inventor and he happened to live

437
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,120
in a spot in the san luis valley uh

438
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:05,440
quite near where i lived actually that

439
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:06,240
featured

440
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:10,000
all kinds of you know unusual phenomena

441
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:11,920
for lack of a better term undulating

442
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,160
forms that look like

443
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,320
like sea slugs swimming through the air

444
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,480
i called them prairie dragons for lack

445
00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:19,839
of a better term

446
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:23,519
and instances of of these like little

447
00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:25,279
diminutive foot high forms

448
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:27,920
uh trooping in line right in front of

449
00:16:31,509 --> 00:16:29,839
him through a studio you know into a

450
00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:31,519
closed door and out through a wall

451
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:34,000
and you know when someone you know of

452
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:34,959
that stature

453
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,639
calls you and reports something like

454
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,079
this uh

455
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:40,959
after much consternation as uh you know

456
00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,759
i found out

457
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,360
his family was very against him

458
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,199
mentioning uh this stuff

459
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,839
uh to me but he felt that it was

460
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,519
important enough for me to know about it

461
00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:50,800
and

462
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:53,440
you know how many other places uh are

463
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,000
there

464
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,880
in north america where you can have

465
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:57,920
trooping ferries

466
00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:00,160
and uh you know these weird cheap

467
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:01,040
firework

468
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:04,160
type aerial phenomena that are routinely

469
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,400
reported there or these undulating

470
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,640
sea slugs swimming through the air with

471
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,000
with you know

472
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:12,720
law enforcement uh as many as four or

473
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:13,439
five people

474
00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,280
seeing them in in one given area

475
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,600
i was very very jazzed when i first

476
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,600
started investigating in the san luis

477
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:22,959
valley in the early 90s

478
00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:26,240
and you know obviously my enthusiasm was

479
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:26,880
tempered

480
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,679
and i really started to try to come up

481
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:31,679
with rational explanations just to

482
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,039
explain things

483
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,760
really get myself up to speed and in as

484
00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:37,360
best i could as an amateur in various

485
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:39,200
scientific disciplines

486
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:41,679
working with ex-law enforcement ex

487
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:42,320
military

488
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:45,600
observers uh current law enforcement

489
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:49,440
you know academics in the sociology and

490
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:51,919
departments at the local college and i

491
00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:52,559
really

492
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,840
made an attempt to dispassionately and

493
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:57,280
objectively

494
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,320
document the many things that uh were

495
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,799
and probably always have been reported

496
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:04,320
in the san luis valley

497
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:05,919
there would there have been mushrooms

498
00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,840
growing there

499
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:09,440
i hope you have a humor you know i

500
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:12,720
looked and i was never able to find any

501
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:16,080
okay good hey um getting back to the

502
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,200
main topic and

503
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:19,280
you know i'll i i will take that as a

504
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,480
joke yeah good

505
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:22,799
good uh your book is called stalking the

506
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:23,679
herd

507
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,840
and uh it was a book you put together

508
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:27,600
over uh several months and a lot of

509
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:29,200
years of research

510
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:33,440
and let me just ask you this is such a

511
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:37,039
unusual phenomena and there are so many

512
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:37,520
different

513
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:39,120
theories you know we posted on our

514
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:40,720
facebook page or i should say

515
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:42,799
peggy um posted on her facebook page

516
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,400
she's an admin there

517
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:45,679
um something about what do you think

518
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:47,520
cattle mutilations were and you know

519
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:49,520
there are some people adamantly saying

520
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,919
oh it's the military and it's it's this

521
00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:52,640
and it's that

522
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,840
and and ufos and aliens and you know

523
00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,760
there's so many different theories

524
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,360
and there's so many holes that can be

525
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:01,919
poked through most of the theories

526
00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:04,160
what did you come up with when you were

527
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,679
doing this book

528
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:07,600
what you know what i'm going to ask you

529
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:11,520
straight out what do you think it is

530
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:14,960
well that's the 64 000 question isn't it

531
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:15,440
uh

532
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,559
i you know i really don't have a um an

533
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:20,240
answer that i could you know take to the

534
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:21,440
national press club and

535
00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:25,120
in trumpet uh as the end-all be-all

536
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,640
answer i don't think there is a single

537
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,440
one-size-fits-all answer

538
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:31,280
i don't think it's all et's i don't

539
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:32,720
think it's all the government

540
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,280
i don't think it's all misidentified

541
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,520
scavenger action that appears strange to

542
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:38,400
people that don't know what they're

543
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,360
looking at

544
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,919
i don't think it's a cultist i don't

545
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:43,120
think it's uh

546
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,640
you know whatever theory you want to

547
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,480
look at there is no one theory that

548
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:49,919
explains it all so

549
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,600
what i'm left with is a multi-tiered

550
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,760
multiple agenda multiple players

551
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,960
dovetailing

552
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,120
their particular agenda either by design

553
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:00,720
or just inadvertently

554
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:03,039
on top of other agendas i think there's

555
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,080
also the high

556
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,120
likelihood in some regions where these

557
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,039
cases have been reported

558
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,760
that you have societal and political

559
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,919
manipulation going on rich ranchers

560
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,200
trying to intimidate

561
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,120
smaller ranchers who won't sell their

562
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,000
land for the expanding big ranch

563
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:22,320
let's say has there been before you move

564
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:23,679
on has there been

565
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:26,159
any links that would kind of you know

566
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,200
document that

567
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,880
yeah there have i have two county

568
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,799
sheriffs that have gone on the record

569
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,200
and stated that they felt that certain

570
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:35,440
helicopter teams that were associated

571
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,559
with

572
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:38,960
particular outbreaks of mutilations were

573
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,080
actually landing

574
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,200
and taking off from a particular ranch

575
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,200
and they both publicly gone on the

576
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:47,280
record and said this particular rancher

577
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,000
was

578
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:50,559
somehow involved either directly or

579
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,679
added aided

580
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,240
and embedded uh some of these teams that

581
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,679
were were seen

582
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,480
uh flying around areas where livestock

583
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:00,400
were being discovered mutilated so

584
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,600
we do have we do have some evidence that

585
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:05,200
that there is some societal and

586
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:07,039
political manipulation going on

587
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,400
but again this is not a

588
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,799
one-size-fits-all scenario i can't say

589
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,400
that all mutilations

590
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:14,880
uh would fall within that particular you

591
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:15,679
know

592
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:18,080
example uh there's just too many

593
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:19,360
thousands of them

594
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,159
uh spread all around the the world in

595
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:24,480
christian countries uh i should uh

596
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,679
add uh this is uh specifically and

597
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,360
predominantly a christian country

598
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,880
phenomenon so

599
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:34,080
you do have quite a uh quite a gordian

600
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:34,720
knot

601
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,520
and one of the reasons why i decided to

602
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,520
subtitle stocking herd

603
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,360
with unraveling cattle mutilation

604
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,360
mystery is it is a

605
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:46,480
real um conundrum

606
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,039
there's many dark alleys uh that you go

607
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:50,880
down and end up being cul-de-sacs

608
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:51,280
there's

609
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:55,440
investigative uh in research

610
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,520
work uh that would suggest that this

611
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:01,840
thing has kind of evolved over the

612
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:02,559
decades

613
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,400
and perhaps what was really important

614
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,480
for the perpetrators in the 70s may have

615
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,240
become less important now

616
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:13,520
in some sense and maybe other types of

617
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:16,640
programs are are being uh perpetrated uh

618
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,159
in you know the small ranches of america

619
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,240
you know it we're really jumping ahead

620
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:24,159
of ourselves here i'm not even sure uh

621
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,360
marty if you're listening he's even know

622
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,679
what account of mutilation is uh

623
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,520
oh yeah i'm sure they do but you're

624
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,360
right you're right you know i i just i'm

625
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,640
trying to shoot for the

626
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,799
you know the the middle here uh yeah

627
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,640
this is a very complicated subject

628
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:39,360
i'm sure the book is 600 pages and it's

629
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,400
not by accident

630
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,200
that's true now um i know and there's

631
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:44,960
other animals involved

632
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:48,400
not just cattle there's you know from

633
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,520
everything you you can think of

634
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,480
but we can talk a little bit about what

635
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,919
mutilations are

636
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,400
but one of the things you know before i

637
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,080
lose track of my thought here

638
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,600
is you know they say for instance the

639
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:05,039
government the government is doing

640
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,679
research

641
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,600
on cows they want to find out what type

642
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:09,200
of um

643
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,880
you know affects nuclear um

644
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,919
atomic uh what am i trying to say the

645
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,159
effects radiation

646
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,640
of the environment and if they took them

647
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,240
away they'd be stealing them so they

648
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:24,320
leave them

649
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,600
on and on and on you hear all these

650
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,679
things but sure um

651
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,919
i just want to get that out so i want

652
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,280
that to be a topic

653
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,600
but i also would like to for you to

654
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,640
explain

655
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,039
um what people you know what are the

656
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,799
farmers finding on their their land

657
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,679
they're finding

658
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,919
uh a cow i think you said on a porch at

659
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,799
one time

660
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,279
they're finding them mutilated some

661
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:47,360
people are saying laser cuts some people

662
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:48,880
are saying you know yeah that's a

663
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,520
misnomer oh okay go ahead

664
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,360
well you know there are a lot of popular

665
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,360
misconceptions about this particular

666
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,200
mystery um you know i've been involved

667
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,039
in this for over 20 years

668
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,720
i've personally been involved in either

669
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:05,039
personally investigating or researching

670
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,919
cases

671
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,559
that i haven't seen but but they amount

672
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,000
to about 200 cases

673
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:13,200
overall and there is

674
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:16,159
a lot of misconceptions out there in the

675
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:16,640
public

676
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,760
about this particular mystery one of

677
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:20,799
those is the

678
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:24,960
the burnt laser cut scenario

679
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,039
in my estimation very very few cases

680
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,080
have been proven to have had some sort

681
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,960
of heat or lasing or particle beam

682
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,679
sci-fi type a cutting agent that has

683
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,200
heated up the hemoglobin cooked the

684
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,720
hemoglobin cauterized the

685
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,559
the wounds there have been several

686
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,960
scientific papers that have been done

687
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,679
most notably the national institute for

688
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,279
discovery sciences

689
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,320
uh did some tests with uh with

690
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:55,440
dead cows and and and actually watched

691
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:55,840
the

692
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,080
has

693
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,919
had the organ taken out what happens to

694
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,520
the remaining hide

695
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,559
and what happens basically is the

696
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,480
the animal bloats and stretches it

697
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,320
stretches the incision

698
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:14,720
when the animal goes back to its normal

699
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:17,840
size or or deflates even

700
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,400
the actual incisionary doesn't fully

701
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,200
you know itself back to its

702
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,559
original shape

703
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:29,120
what happens is the edge dries out you

704
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:29,679
have a

705
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,880
kind of a slick glossy appearing edge to

706
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,240
it that turns brown

707
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,000
and to someone who's not a veterinary

708
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,080
pathologist like me

709
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:40,559
i'm not a veterinary pathologist but to

710
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:41,679
someone who doesn't know what they're

711
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,480
looking at

712
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,880
it appears like it's been burned but

713
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,799
it's actually the natural process

714
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:49,440
of the hide the the the area that's been

715
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,240
cut

716
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,360
uh probably by a sharp implement or torn

717
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:54,720
out by a scavenger

718
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:58,640
that particular incision line appears

719
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:02,240
brown and smooth and and like it's been

720
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,880
burnt

721
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,880
and unless you actually take the animal

722
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,720
do a complete necropsy have a

723
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:08,559
professional veterinary pathologist

724
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,600
involved or you know a veterinarian that

725
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,720
has some pathology

726
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,400
experience you're not going to be able

727
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:16,320
to actually determine what

728
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,400
caused the cutting action or

729
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,440
how that cutting action can look one way

730
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,360
and not another way there's a lot of

731
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,520
environmental concerns uh humidity

732
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,720
temperature

733
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,279
and to the untrained eye if he reads an

734
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,880
article in the newspaper that there's

735
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,799
cattle mutilations he goes out

736
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,880
and happens to see a cow that's been

737
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,799
let's say scavenged

738
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,679
but in an unusual fashion usually the

739
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,520
organs that the mutilators take are the

740
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,520
same organs that scavengers normally

741
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,200
take the soft tissue organs

742
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:50,320
reproductive tract and eye oftentimes a

743
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,960
tongue

744
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:53,760
with the mandible flesh being exposed uh

745
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:54,320
being

746
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,760
taken away exposing the jawbone a plug

747
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:59,440
taken out of the reproductive tract the

748
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,320
genitalia

749
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,559
are gone when you look at the edges if

750
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,840
that animal is bloated

751
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,919
and dried out and then shrunk back down

752
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,600
it can look like it's burnt

753
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,840
most of the cases that i felt were high

754
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,440
strange in other words somebody came and

755
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:13,679
did this to that animal

756
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:18,080
the vast majority 90 or more

757
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,840
it appeared to be a sharp cutting

758
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,200
implement like a scalpel

759
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,600
a buck knife some very very sharp piece

760
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,720
of steel

761
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,880
well you know there's never well before

762
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,120
i asked this question

763
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,120
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764
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,600
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765
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,840
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766
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,200
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767
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,679
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768
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:40,720
question or two

769
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,919
and i'll relay it on to him

770
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,640
when you're talking about these these uh

771
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,520
cuts

772
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:50,399
um it it's like someone would go up to

773
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,120
the animal

774
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:53,120
first of all they'd have to kill it or

775
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,399
or knock it down

776
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,840
um but a lot of times they say there's

777
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:57,919
no tire tracks there's no sign of

778
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:01,760
footprints um correct most of the time

779
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:02,799
most of the time

780
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,919
so what is doing this

781
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:08,240
you know i mean well it appears to be

782
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,520
marty and

783
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,279
i think this is fairly simple you

784
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,200
mentioned earlier that these animals are

785
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,200
left behind so they wouldn't be stolen

786
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:18,000
and then reported you know as some sort

787
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,279
of criminal mischief

788
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:23,120
larceny whatever by leaving the animal

789
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,440
back

790
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,279
it gives you plausible deniability

791
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,760
however sometimes they mess up

792
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,200
and they leave the animal in the wrong

793
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,840
pasture we have quite a number of cases

794
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,000
which i detail in the book where animals

795
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,840
are found in the wrong pasture even as

796
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,399
far as two three miles away

797
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,640
we've had cases where the animal is not

798
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,880
left back in the pasture and is dumped

799
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,000
on a porch for some

800
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,960
reason or uh inside an abandoned adobe

801
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,799
shack in one case

802
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,720
basically what they're doing is they're

803
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,399
at least in my

804
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,640
appraisal here i don't know this for

805
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,559
sure but but it seems to me

806
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,799
is that these animals are being taken

807
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:01,120
they're being experimented upon or they

808
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,760
do

809
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,440
have their way with the animal and then

810
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:05,120
when they drop it back they don't drop

811
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,559
it from where they took it

812
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,000
they drop it in another part of the

813
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:10,480
pasture so we're saying ranch goes out

814
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,120
there

815
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,799
and looks at the animal and he looks

816
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,640
around for clues oftentimes he won't

817
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,039
even find the animal's own tracks

818
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,360
and so if you leave it in a slightly

819
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,120
different place in the same pasture

820
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,600
you have that ministry of no tracks no

821
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,960
no crime scene evidence

822
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,399
because the the animal was actually

823
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,080
taken or possibly even

824
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,080
experimented on in another part of the

825
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,919
pasture so it appears to me they're

826
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,279
being taken somewhere

827
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,440
uh they're being worked on and then

828
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:37,039
brought back and left in a different

829
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,919
spot

830
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,399
you know uh on i don't know if you read

831
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,919
the skinwalker ranch

832
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:44,159
book i was the first investigator up at

833
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,600
the sherman ranch oh you were

834
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,640
now there was a case there where one had

835
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,360
dropped inside of a hole like head first

836
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,720
like it was just say like it was

837
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,799
dangling from say a helicopter

838
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,279
in nebraska no the case on the sherman

839
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,840
ranch was a calf that was torn apart

840
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,640
and the parts were that remain were laid

841
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,000
carefully back

842
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,360
uh almost uh ritualistically

843
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,279
and this all took place within minutes

844
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,960
while the rancher and his wife were in

845
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,440
the same field during in broad daylight

846
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,000
wow wow that there was some bizarre

847
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:17,679
stuff going on the nebraska case is the

848
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,240
one that

849
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,760
the the cow was found with its head in

850
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:21,279
the hole i don't know how to explain

851
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,159
that

852
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:25,600
are

853
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,720
dropped when you could you elaborate

854
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,840
more on that when you think they're

855
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,679
dropped do you think they're

856
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,000
how would they pick these things up you

857
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,399
know these are cows helicopters

858
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,240
i don't want to point the uh

859
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,399
incriminating finger in any

860
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:42,480
particular direction um you know they

861
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,399
could be little green men from mars

862
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,480
doing it with flying saucers

863
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,120
or it could be uncle sam with

864
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:51,279
clandestine helicopter crews

865
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,640
we have you know well over 350 reports

866
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,640
of helicopters in and around mutilation

867
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,519
sites

868
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,399
uh over the years since the 70s so you

869
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,679
know one

870
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,600
if you compare the amount of helicopters

871
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,720
that have been reported around a

872
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,880
mutilation site and compared to ufos

873
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,600
it's like

874
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:10,240
you know ufos are a fraction uh compared

875
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,720
to

876
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:14,000
helicopter reports now whether they're

877
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,039
able to actually

878
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:18,320
lift let's say a 22

879
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,080
uh 100 pound semitol bull you know

880
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,559
or uh it's much easier to lift a three

881
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,080
or four hundred pound calf

882
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,880
uh than it is to you know obviously lift

883
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,000
a full-grown

884
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,080
especially male uh bull

885
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:37,200
so whether helicopters are the uh the

886
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,159
primary

887
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:40,960
delivery system for this particular uh

888
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,440
you know

889
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,399
agenda i i really don't know i just

890
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:46,159
don't think it's by accident that we've

891
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,200
had hundreds

892
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,919
of helicopters cited around relation

893
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:52,240
sites during waves where these cases

894
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:55,279
are being reported now speaking of waves

895
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,960
the strong one was back in the 70s and

896
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,679
uh why do you think there are waves

897
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,480
would just

898
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,000
let me just ask this do waves um

899
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,080
did they happen the same time another

900
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,880
type of strange event was happening

901
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,640
say in the environment or anything like

902
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,480
that yeah absolutely

903
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,080
um you know we have all sorts of

904
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:18,720
correlations uh and i go into great uh

905
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,840
detail

906
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,760
along with the excellent uh research

907
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,919
help of my mentor david perkins who's

908
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,120
been involved in this

909
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,320
mystery for almost 40 years

910
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:31,519
we did go back and we did look

911
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:34,960
at how not only how the waves

912
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,480
began unfolded and ended but also how

913
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:41,600
the theories to explain the waves began

914
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,960
unfolded and were perp you know

915
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,760
promulgated or disseminated out into the

916
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:48,720
culture

917
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,840
so we're looking at this uh from several

918
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,919
angles one is from a physical science

919
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,640
angle

920
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,399
here we have a mystery leaving behind

921
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,760
thousands of pounds of potential

922
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,039
physical evidence

923
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,720
we're looking at it from a cultural

924
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,720
point of view the belief in these things

925
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,399
happening and how that belief

926
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,399
affects the culture and we're also

927
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:08,080
looking at it in how

928
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,760
this particular mystery seems to

929
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:11,919
dovetail with other attendant

930
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,960
phenomena like hairy hominids

931
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,399
the before mentioned ufos and

932
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,720
helicopters also

933
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,120
outbreaks of rustling and cattle being

934
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,120
shot

935
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,519
tend to be the pre-sage events that

936
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:27,360
happened before a wave begins

937
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:30,799
for instance in the 70s we had

938
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,679
hundreds of animals being reported as

939
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:34,720
rustled

940
00:33:40,029 --> 00:33:38,640
in iowa in parts of nebraska in 71 later

941
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,039
in 74

942
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,279
75 prior to then

943
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,159
unfolding waves of mutilation reports so

944
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,240
it's almost like

945
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:50,320
back in the early days before this

946
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,279
became a national

947
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,039
and international news story they were

948
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:54,880
trying out different uh

949
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,519
you know modus operandi they were saying

950
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:59,840
well if we do this what will happen

951
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,919
if we do it this way what will happen

952
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,559
and i go to great lengths with uh

953
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,960
again with david's uh very very uh

954
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,560
important assistance

955
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,280
in identifying how the waves began how

956
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,200
they unfolded how they ended

957
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:16,560
and how the attendant phenomenon whether

958
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,359
it be

959
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:20,079
crypto creatures uh black panthers hairy

960
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:21,119
hominids

961
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,520
uh you know flying uh 55 gallon drums

962
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:27,520
flying in formation in one case that

963
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:27,919
just

964
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,760
still makes me scratch my head uh

965
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:34,079
it's it's a huge gordian knot and you

966
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,040
have to unravel

967
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,720
each thread at a time and look at the

968
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,079
inner relatedness

969
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,480
between all these things yeah we have a

970
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,000
bunch of questions just coming in

971
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,560
on our chat room but uh one thing comes

972
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:45,839
to mind has

973
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,040
this is really something that is it's

974
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,399
out there

975
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,440
it cannot be denied has anyone taken

976
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,960
this serious enough to do

977
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,040
a deep investigative report

978
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,440
scientifically or anything like that

979
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,680
absolutely the national institute for

980
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,520
discovery sciences nids

981
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:06,240
uh who are the uh robert bigelow the

982
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:06,960
billionaire

983
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:10,000
um real estate guy who is the only

984
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,839
person on the planet with his own

985
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,680
private space station

986
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:16,640
he bought the sherman ranch up in utah

987
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,280
and

988
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,880
one of the things that they had to deal

989
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,720
with was the cattle mutilation mystery

990
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,440
and they did

991
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,880
a number of very very well done

992
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,599
uh scientifically peer-reviewable papers

993
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,000
that look at various aspects of this

994
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,640
particular mystery there have been some

995
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:35,280
feeble attempts by official groups

996
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:42,470
shall we say highly suspect in their

997
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:43,359
agendas

998
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:46,000
in in how the results were obtained and

999
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:47,680
what the results were

1000
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,040
sounds like ufo reports yeah very much

1001
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,720
so but but when you really

1002
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:55,119
look at all the different databases that

1003
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,320
that i was able to

1004
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,400
to collect that have been existing kind

1005
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,480
of stove pipe style alongside one

1006
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:02,079
another nobody's ever brought them all

1007
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,960
together

1008
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,640
and when you bring all these databases

1009
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,079
together what really jump

1010
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:08,400
out are some of the uh veterinary

1011
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,280
pathology

1012
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,040
examinations that were very well

1013
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:13,040
documented uh by

1014
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,560
iowa university uh dr waterhouse for

1015
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,000
instance uh

1016
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:20,240
attempted to duplicate some of the uh

1017
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,119
surgery

1018
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:24,000
style wounds that were found uh and and

1019
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,440
found it very very difficult he's a

1020
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:27,119
world-class veterinary pathologist and

1021
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,320
surgeon

1022
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,839
he was very impressed with some of the

1023
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:32,400
work we've had

1024
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,560
a number of workups on

1025
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,720
you know potential constituent elements

1026
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,320
within the animal uh

1027
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,480
we found ketamine uh in other

1028
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,880
tranquilizers barbiturates in one case

1029
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,800
in arkansas i think they even found

1030
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:49,599
mescaline in one case another case had

1031
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,720
pcp in it

1032
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,400
uh would this have anything to do with

1033
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,560
groundwater or anything like that

1034
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,920
you know i know that a lot of people

1035
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,599
apparently uh substances that were

1036
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,440
introduced uh

1037
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,839
introduced into the animal that is

1038
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,960
really bizarre

1039
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,359
uh a question up on the board here when

1040
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:07,440
you interviewed the ranchers what did

1041
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,000
they think

1042
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,520
caused these mutilations well

1043
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:14,000
you know it's interesting um just the

1044
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,119
whole

1045
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,119
examination of how the ranching

1046
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,440
community responds to these cases

1047
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,240
is it should be a whole book in itself

1048
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,320
most of the time the higher strange the

1049
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,160
weirder the case the less likely the

1050
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,680
rancher is to report it

1051
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,640
to law enforcement or to neighbors or to

1052
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,760
the media

1053
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:34,720
it's only the cases that really come

1054
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:35,200
across

1055
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,720
as as provoking them uh to a place of

1056
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,040
indignation where they they would report

1057
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,000
a case is when they see helicopters or

1058
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,520
when they see uh strange

1059
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,599
lights that that appear conventional but

1060
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,960
they can't explain

1061
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,079
it's when they think they're being

1062
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,400
victimized by other humans that ranchers

1063
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,320
tend to report these cases

1064
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:57,520
when if it's some sort of heebie-jeebie

1065
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,880
thing or some

1066
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,280
pedo-natural predator that's taken their

1067
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:02,880
cow and left behind

1068
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:06,000
incredible evidence at the scene

1069
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,520
those are the cases that they're more

1070
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,160
more likely to just drag off and bury or

1071
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,720
throw in a bone pile and forget about so

1072
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,520
ranchers

1073
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,760
you know they they know what they're

1074
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,720
looking at i mean

1075
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,200
they're professionals in in that that

1076
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,119
their livelihood depends on how well

1077
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,640
they're able to ascertain the health and

1078
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,160
well-being of their animals

1079
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,640
and figure out what's wrong when an

1080
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:27,680
animal dies

1081
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,720
and right they've all seen you know two

1082
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,119
percent of their herd dies every year

1083
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,480
i mean that's just a statistical fact

1084
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,640
and they've seen hundreds of dead

1085
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:39,839
animals over their

1086
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,040
their careers as as ranchers and in

1087
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,480
in some cases third fourth fifth

1088
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,480
generation ranchers so they know what

1089
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,760
they're looking at and

1090
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,839
and for for the debunkers to say oh they

1091
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,880
don't know

1092
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:54,079
a hole in the ground when it comes to

1093
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:54,880
looking at uh

1094
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:58,320
dead cow it's like uh sorry they do

1095
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,079
and i think most ranchers uh

1096
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:04,960
suspect a more homespun down to earth

1097
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,280
less

1098
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,480
mundane uh perpetrator all uh some sort

1099
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,960
of uh

1100
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:11,440
environmental monitoring by humans let's

1101
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:12,240
say

1102
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,880
uh possible in in a few rare cases

1103
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,640
intimidation by by other ranchers uh

1104
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,400
occasionally when it's really high

1105
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:24,400
strange and they get tv cameras in their

1106
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:24,960
face or

1107
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,320
reported there and if they might uh

1108
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,000
be looking for a little publicity they

1109
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,640
might use uh aliens or ets as a

1110
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,839
possibility

1111
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,839
uh of course linda howe and other

1112
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,200
investigators

1113
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,839
um have really done a great job of

1114
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,680
promoting the cases where the ranchers

1115
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,720
say this

1116
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,720
but for every rancher that thinks it's

1117
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:46,480
aliens doing this i'll bet you there's

1118
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,960
10

1119
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,200
20 30 ranchers that think it's something

1120
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,599
way more down home and homespun

1121
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,520
you know i never thought about the fact

1122
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,760
that like ufo sightings

1123
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,880
maybe a lot of people do not report them

1124
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,880
something i never thought of but let's

1125
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,240
uh let's do

1126
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,880
uh the numbers here do you know

1127
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,079
approximately how many

1128
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,000
reported cases there are and let's just

1129
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,400
say the u.s

1130
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:11,920
well it's a very difficult number to

1131
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:14,319
determine accurately garbage in garbage

1132
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:14,640
out

1133
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,680
but based on my analysis and the

1134
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,520
analysis of david perkins

1135
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,400
we figure at least 10 000 official

1136
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,319
reports have been filed uh

1137
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,400
claiming that a head of livestock or

1138
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:28,400
more has been uh found in mutilated

1139
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,200
condition

1140
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,599
wow wow that's that's something else

1141
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:33,520
another question up on the board do

1142
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,400
catamulu

1143
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,160
that's just the u.s now we're not even

1144
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:38,319
talking about australia england uh south

1145
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,200
america

1146
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,119
yeah well this question is going to tie

1147
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,800
into the that is

1148
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,480
do cattle mutilations take place

1149
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,079
primarily in the u.s

1150
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,920
or do they take place in other countries

1151
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,400
as well that was up in the chat room

1152
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,440
yeah well uh cattle mutilations are are

1153
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,839
fairly consistent a north and south

1154
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,200
american in

1155
00:41:01,430 --> 00:41:00,000
some cases in australia but in terms of

1156
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:01,440
livestock uh

1157
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,960
swine sheep especially horses

1158
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,960
those kinds of cases have been reported

1159
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,440
all over in christian countries

1160
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,920
the earliest known documented case that

1161
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:13,520
i've been able to uncover

1162
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:17,359
was in 1606 in england around london

1163
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,800
and in the official uh journal of

1164
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,520
james the first in the court of james

1165
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,040
there is mention of a

1166
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:28,319
series of hundreds of sheep mutilations

1167
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:31,280
in and around london in the uh the fall

1168
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:31,599
of

1169
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,319
1606.

1170
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:38,800
so this is not something that you can

1171
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,440
just pin

1172
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:42,000
on on the us government or some

1173
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:42,880
nefarious

1174
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,000
conspiratorial explanation uh

1175
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,319
obviously these these uh types of forces

1176
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,720
weren't in operation back in 1605 and

1177
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,240
1606 so

1178
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,680
you know we have cases from the early

1179
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,880
1800s cases from the late 1800s the

1180
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,520
turn of the century uh there was a whole

1181
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:00,640
spate of

1182
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:04,480
sheep mutilations in australia around

1183
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:08,079
1904 1905 and again in 1920

1184
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,240
since 2002 we've had over 3 000

1185
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,560
approximate cases in south america in

1186
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,079
brazil argentina

1187
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,800
and a few elsewhere down there so we've

1188
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,880
had cases in you know puerto rico the

1189
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:23,359
canary islands mexico

1190
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:27,359
uh you know the list goes on and that's

1191
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,880
just the livestock now we've also had

1192
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,400
you know hundreds and hundreds and

1193
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:34,560
hundreds of domesticated cats have been

1194
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:34,960
found

1195
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,560
in half cut in half like with a giant

1196
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:39,680
pair of scissors

1197
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,240
have been reported in most of the urban

1198
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,319
centers in the western united states

1199
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,720
we had 50 dolphins with identical wounds

1200
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:48,880
washed up dead in france we had

1201
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,920
seals in the orkney islands way at the

1202
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,160
beyond the northern parts of scotland

1203
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,599
way up there

1204
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,640
washing ashore with these strange spiral

1205
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,359
removals of of blubber and flesh

1206
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,880
spiraled their heads are gone and the

1207
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:04,240
spirals would go all the way down the

1208
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,119
body

1209
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,640
uh with no possible explanation for what

1210
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,880
could have done it nothing natural

1211
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,440
not a ship's propeller and when you when

1212
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:15,200
you start finding more and more of these

1213
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:16,400
seals washing up

1214
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,520
you're going to wonder what the heck's

1215
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,160
going on so this is not exclusively

1216
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,200
uh cattle cattle i think

1217
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,040
it's safe to say make up at least 90

1218
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,480
percent of these uh

1219
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,200
cases of this type but almost every

1220
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,720
warm-blooded animal you could name

1221
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:32,319
including people have been found in this

1222
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,119
condition

1223
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:36,079
deer elk buffalo uh you know the list

1224
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,200
goes on

1225
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,000
wow wow and it just makes it more and

1226
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,640
more mysterious when you add up all that

1227
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:45,359
um let's see lee wants to know have

1228
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:45,920
there been

1229
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:48,560
any discoveries regarding excision

1230
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,160
locations and hormones

1231
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,599
hormones uh no uh that's a little too

1232
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:57,200
broad of a a question

1233
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:00,560
um in terms of you know what do you mean

1234
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:04,240
in terms of hormones um no but we have

1235
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,640
had

1236
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,440
um some pretty interesting cases that

1237
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,359
that seem to target

1238
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,480
the fastest regenerating uh tissues in

1239
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,680
the body

1240
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,240
you know the the organs that we as

1241
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,880
humans get cancer in most uh often for

1242
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:19,440
instance

1243
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,560
uh tend to be uh targeted

1244
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:25,599
and out of all the theories that i've

1245
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,319
ever heard

1246
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,119
and there are a bunch the one theory

1247
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,280
that still stands the test of time

1248
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,440
uh in my estimation is the environmental

1249
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,720
monitoring theory

1250
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,960
that was first thought up by david

1251
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,359
perkins back in 78 79

1252
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,680
he noticed that areas of high incidence

1253
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,359
of livestock mutilations

1254
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,000
tended to be downwind and downstream of

1255
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,000
the nevada test site where we mine

1256
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,000
uranium where we enrich it where we

1257
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:51,839
weaponize it where we use it in power

1258
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,400
plants

1259
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,079
and where we put it in missiles

1260
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,000
underground and missile silos

1261
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,359
if you go downwind and downstream

1262
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,640
on the the drainage uh in river systems

1263
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:05,040
that's where the highest concentration

1264
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,079
of cases are found

1265
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,240
i don't think that's by accident and i

1266
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,760
also find it very interesting that you

1267
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:11,599
have clustering of cases

1268
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,040
in the wildlife chronic wasting disease

1269
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,079
breaking out uh and and mutilation

1270
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,560
regions being around where we've uh

1271
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,480
maybe toyed around with bacteriological

1272
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:24,079
weapons development

1273
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,880
so in terms of hormones uh

1274
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:30,640
the only thing i know about hormones

1275
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:38,150
in terms of cattle you know

1276
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,829
i think that was one of the better ones

1277
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,040
uh

1278
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,960
let's see now you threw me in my

1279
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,040
question my question's gone

1280
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,960
now you mentioned earlier that's my job

1281
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,119
bro

1282
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,240
you mentioned earlier uh christian um

1283
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:00,720
what do you think the tie-in is with

1284
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,440
christian

1285
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,839
and before i go on that someone was

1286
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,920
screaming on well they used caps

1287
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:08,000
on the message board how many people

1288
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:09,040
have been mutilated

1289
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,599
and i want to add to that what type of

1290
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,640
mutilating

1291
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,359
is it is it similar well how many people

1292
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,200
have been mutilated well i think humans

1293
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,720
have probably mutilated

1294
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,119
more humans over the millennia in

1295
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:23,119
various ways whether it's witchcraft

1296
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:24,400
trials inquisitions

1297
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,160
warfare sadism uh

1298
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,720
every day humans are mutilated uh in

1299
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,440
africa

1300
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,760
in some of the third world countries

1301
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,319
there's horrific cases if you're

1302
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,480
all you have to do is just do a quick

1303
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,319
google search and you'll find mutilation

1304
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,520
cases that will

1305
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,640
that will really bother you they have

1306
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:47,359
a show called dexter too right yeah

1307
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:47,839
exactly

1308
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,119
call dexter we also have ritual animal

1309
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,720
sacrifice that happens

1310
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,960
uh you know hundreds of thousands of

1311
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,079
times a day people

1312
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:58,880
sacrifice animals to various gods every

1313
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,359
day

1314
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,839
on this planet i believe that so in

1315
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:03,680
terms of the human cases they are

1316
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,040
the most i think difficult to

1317
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:09,440
investigate obviously law enforcement

1318
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,960
puts a lid on them

1319
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:13,040
there's a total press and media blackout

1320
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,319
on these cases

1321
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,800
a number of very very good investigators

1322
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,880
including ex-law enforcement have looked

1323
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,480
into this whole scenario

1324
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,559
and have come up against the brick wall

1325
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,640
i think these cases are very rare

1326
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,960
when they do happen they are by far the

1327
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,200
most scary cases for law enforcement to

1328
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,200
deal with and they put the lid down

1329
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,520
big time on them i i can i can totally

1330
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:35,680
understand that getting back to

1331
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:38,319
christian countries where these things

1332
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:38,880
happen

1333
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:42,240
why do you suppose that is i don't know

1334
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:42,720
why

1335
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:45,680
do you suppose that uh the sacred cow of

1336
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,160
india the brahma

1337
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,559
has never been once reported reported as

1338
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,000
being mutilated i have

1339
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,119
not in all the thousands of cases in

1340
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:56,640
case history and reports

1341
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,000
i'd not have not won brahma mutilation

1342
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,240
wow how about other places you know how

1343
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,839
about other india is the largest

1344
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,960
exporter of beef

1345
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,559
you know most of your listeners probably

1346
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:08,160
don't know that no there are a lot of

1347
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,640
cows

1348
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,319
in india and buffalo which is what they

1349
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:12,640
usually slaughter and export as beef

1350
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:15,520
but brahma cattle are one of the purest

1351
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,400
breads

1352
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,200
breeds rather purest bred breeds of

1353
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,640
cattle on the planet

1354
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:23,200
and they're still to this day held as

1355
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,160
sacred in in

1356
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,640
india and if you look at all the brahmas

1357
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:27,520
around the world

1358
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,800
you know they've propagated there's 940

1359
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,559
something breeds of cattle

1360
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,599
that represent 1.37 billion head of

1361
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:36,960
cattle on the planet

1362
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,200
they're the largest source of uh why

1363
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,960
we're cutting down the rainforest

1364
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,800
they're the biggest cause of deserts the

1365
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,000
largest uh

1366
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,040
contributor to freshwater pollution they

1367
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,880
they're one of the largest contributors

1368
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,960
to ozone depleting gas

1369
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,800
cows burp and fart once every two

1370
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:55,040
minutes times that by one point three

1371
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,079
seven times

1372
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,240
you know how many minutes in a day we

1373
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,599
can almost hear them now

1374
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,839
hey you know it kind of wants you well

1375
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,960
after i'm listening to you

1376
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,960
uh you know it kind of makes someone

1377
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,640
want to go vegetarian

1378
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,559
really you know someone's saying that on

1379
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,640
the message beef i i don't need it very

1380
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,000
often i love bison

1381
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:15,359
as my my red meat of choice i am very

1382
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:16,559
careful about

1383
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:19,839
uh where i uh obtain meat

1384
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,119
in general i like to get local

1385
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:26,559
grass-fed you know cage-free

1386
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,760
if you will you pay more you eat less

1387
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,000
but

1388
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,319
you really uh you aren't playing russian

1389
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,520
roulette with your health

1390
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,599
yeah if the average listener out there

1391
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,359
had any idea what it took

1392
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:39,839
for that animal to be born and then end

1393
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,559
up as

1394
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,880
as a slab of meat or ground meat on a

1395
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,720
piece of styrofoam wrapped in plastic in

1396
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,079
your grocery store

1397
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,720
if you knew what it took to get that

1398
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,640
animal from a to z

1399
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:53,760
into your grill chances are you would

1400
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,480
think twice

1401
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,960
every time that you put uh you know a

1402
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,640
juicy steak on the barbie

1403
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,280
yep no i've uh i've i've watched there

1404
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,040
was a documentary all about that

1405
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,440
and 80 of the antibiotics used in this

1406
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,680
country go into cattle

1407
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,839
i think 40 or 50 percent of the growth

1408
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:11,599
hormones go into cattle

1409
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:14,800
and it all goes into us and on and on it

1410
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,359
goes

1411
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,040
you want to talk hormones there you go

1412
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,880
why are little girls

1413
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:21,359
getting uh you know to puberty at eight

1414
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,319
nine years old

1415
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,720
yep it's in the milk it's and all right

1416
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,599
that's right um

1417
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,200
let's see we cover all this in the book

1418
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,119
by the way yes you do

1419
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:33,040
and there was a question i was just

1420
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:34,319
trying to get to

1421
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:38,559
on here i'm sorry i missed it

1422
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,160
so um getting back to the

1423
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,359
the ufo because this is a ufo show um

1424
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,119
getting back after i almost forgot about

1425
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:49,280
that well how many

1426
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,200
uh uh what what type of percentage of

1427
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:56,480
um cattle mutilations are involved in

1428
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,440
what they would say

1429
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,400
orbs or or people saw sighting you know

1430
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:01,839
close to or after right

1431
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,280
un undefined lights let's say

1432
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:07,520
uh or you know some sort of light

1433
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,720
phenomenon or

1434
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,880
let's say pod marks on the ground or

1435
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:12,559
swirled grass that sort of thing

1436
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:15,760
very small percentage very small really

1437
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,200
yeah maybe 10 if even that i mean that's

1438
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:21,359
that's being generous

1439
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,960
yet a lot of people i mean i have

1440
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,119
thought and wondered if it had something

1441
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,280
to do with ufos over the years and i

1442
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,720
think a lot of people do

1443
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,559
so there's kind of a misconception as

1444
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,319
far as that goes well

1445
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,280
i mean the popular theory is that aliens

1446
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,880
are coming down

1447
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,119
they're experimenting on cattle taking

1448
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,400
organs for some sort of hybridization

1449
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,559
uh project they need the genetic

1450
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,839
material

1451
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,119
well if that's the case why

1452
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:53,680
sneak around in little ranch ranches

1453
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:54,160
around

1454
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,240
lock on a rendering plant go in and you

1455
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,240
have as much genetic material as you

1456
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,839
could possibly ever need

1457
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,920
it doesn't make sense to me what makes

1458
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,240
sense is not so much the animal that's

1459
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:08,079
taken it's where the animal exists in

1460
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,440
the environment

1461
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:12,480
that is the key okay and if that's the

1462
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,280
case then

1463
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:16,000
all this talk about genetic modification

1464
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,640
and

1465
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,880
gathering genetic material it doesn't

1466
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:21,520
make any sense

1467
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,559
right right period now um you know

1468
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,240
someone had asked earlier is this a

1469
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,599
black ops

1470
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,440
you know situation that we're just not

1471
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:31,680
going to know what's going on exactly

1472
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,640
well how about this let's say marty mad

1473
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,720
cow disease was a part of a lab

1474
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:38,400
experiment to try to come up with a new

1475
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,359
bio weapon

1476
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,880
what would happen if that disease

1477
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,640
escaped into the environment

1478
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,480
it would get into the wildlife first

1479
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:46,000
more likely during elk

1480
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:49,280
which it did in 1967

1481
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,800
and then it would slowly start to spread

1482
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,160
now what would you want to do you would

1483
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:53,920
want to try to monitor

1484
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:56,559
uh the herds in the wildlife to

1485
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:57,520
ascertain

1486
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,960
the extent of the spreading potential

1487
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:02,319
pandemic

1488
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:05,119
well let's say that it got into cattle

1489
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:05,599
herds

1490
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,480
it's a species crosser it can cross over

1491
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,920
the species barrier and it went from

1492
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:12,240
deer and elk into cattle

1493
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,839
wouldn't you want to like make sure that

1494
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,440
you knew how

1495
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,119
it was spreading and because you were

1496
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,880
the one responsible for letting it loose

1497
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,920
in the first place you wouldn't want to

1498
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,480
let

1499
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,000
to tell anybody you wouldn't want

1500
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,599
anybody to know

1501
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:25,680
so you'd be sneaking around testing the

1502
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,720
environment

1503
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:28,480
for the potential spread of

1504
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:30,400
environmental contaminants

1505
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:33,920
or or health related contaminants so

1506
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,160
is there a black budget black ops thing

1507
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,760
going on

1508
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,839
i would say yeah the chances are that

1509
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:41,599
that's that's a significant

1510
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,200
part of this scenario not the entire

1511
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:47,920
part it's been going on since way before

1512
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:49,599
we started to weaponize uh

1513
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:52,960
transmissible spongiform and stethopathy

1514
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,480
yeah potentially hypothetically

1515
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,800
well i can't believe how fast the time

1516
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,040
has gone tonight i mean whoa

1517
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,000
it really has it's been flying yeah um

1518
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,240
so can you tell the listener out there

1519
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,960
well where they'd find you online and

1520
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,520
also

1521
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:12,319
where they'd find your your book well i

1522
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,280
am the host uh

1523
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,839
co-host of the paracast uh one of your

1524
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,280
uh sort of top shelf

1525
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:19,359
uh radio shows uh covering the

1526
00:54:23,710 --> 00:54:20,559
paranormal

1527
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,720
and uh that's the paracast.com

1528
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,880
p-a-r-a-c-a-s-t

1529
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,599
dot com with a t-h-e in front of it the

1530
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:28,960
paracast

1531
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:32,720
my website is ourstrangeplanet.com it is

1532
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:34,079
a strange planet it's

1533
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,520
our strange planet.com and i also have a

1534
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,920
website set up under construction for

1535
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,240
the book stockingtheherd.com

1536
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,119
and uh you know people you got to get

1537
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:46,559
yourselves up to speed

1538
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,599
you can't watch tv listen to shows like

1539
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:51,119
this and get all your information you

1540
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,559
have to do the research

1541
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:55,119
you have to be motivated enough to

1542
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,400
actually do the work and

1543
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:58,880
come to an informed decision and opinion

1544
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,839
of your own

1545
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,599
very good well thanks so much i really

1546
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,280
appreciate talking to you and

1547
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,640
well maybe we'll have you back on

1548
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,640
sometime it was a lot of fun yeah

1549
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,400
cool i'm looking forward to it marty

1550
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,160
thanks for having me on you bet well

1551
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,680
that's it for our show

1552
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,440
if you missed any part of the show you

1553
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,599
can catch it as a podcast

1554
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:17,599
and a whole bunch of other free podcasts

1555
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:18,720
on our website

1556
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:21,839
which is podcastufo.com also you can

1557
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,480
check out

1558
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,559
our links and our stories to our show

1559
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,520
notes

1560
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,599
uh you usually can but you know here i

1561
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:29,280
am reading and we don't really have any

1562
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,880
links in our show notes this week sorry

1563
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,680
about that

1564
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,680
i want to thank everyone for helping out

1565
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,040
with the show today

1566
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,000
our guest of course and keith roland the

1567
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:40,000
producer of the dark matter radio

1568
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:40,799
network

1569
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:43,760
andy fleming for our astronomy look

1570
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,760
carrie lloyd whitehouse for the music

1571
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:48,400
and peggy shunning who manages our very

1572
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,040
busy

1573
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:51,599
and active facebook page and remember to

1574
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,160
like us

1575
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:55,119
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1576
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,319
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1577
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,160
you can check us out right here next

1578
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:00,400
week at the dark matter radio network

1579
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,839
and every wednesday at 8 00 p.m eastern

1580
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:05,280
standard time

1581
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,799
and don't forget to jump in the chat

1582
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,640
room this is martin willis

1583
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,640
reminding you to keep your eyes to the

1584
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:11,760
sky